‘It’s cricket. We’re not attempting to conserve the world’: Darren Lehmann in discussion with Jason Gillespie

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Jason Gillespie Mate, I have to start out with the nickname “Boof”…

Darren Lehmann A good friend named Johnny Giannetto gave it to me when we have been enjoying [Aussie rules] footy escalating up in Gawler, north of Adelaide, when we ended up 12. I made use of to have a big mullet – a bouffant – so it grew to become Boofhead, then Boof. It just trapped from there. He wants a greenback for each individual time I get named it … he’d be a abundant male since I not often hear Darren these days …

Gillespie And it was generally activity developing up?

Lehmann Yeah, footy in the winter season and cricket in the summer ended up the norm, that is all you had as a kid. We just performed and played right up until it acquired darkish. There were no cellular phones or interruptions, just an outside daily life. It was likely the 1977 Centenary Take a look at, David Hookes hitting the final 5 balls of an [eight-ball] more than off Tony Greig for 4, that sparked my enjoy of cricket. Footy was my initially enthusiasm and I thought I’d develop into a player until eventually Neil Kerley, 1 of the all-time AFL legends of South Australia, explained to me I’d hardly ever make it, so “piss off and participate in cricket”.

Gillespie And he was your hero – crushing! Who had been the cricketers you’d loved looking at?

Lehmann Yeah, David Hookes initial of all and small did I know he’d have these kinds of a major effects on my cricket at South Australia and my appreciate for the game. After him I was the similar as any Aussie rising up all over that time, Dennis Lillee, Rod Marsh, the Chappells, Allan Border.

Gillespie How did you uncover heading into the South Australian dressing home? You created me so welcome when I initially begun, was that because of your possess expertise?

Lehmann Very a lot so. There is very little a lot more nerve-racking than coming into a dressing place for the very first time. For me now the youthful kinds are the players you look following the most, earning absolutely sure they get the very best tips and assistance, so they really feel comfy and can complete. I try to remember you coming in as a vivid but very concentrated younger person. But you experienced a shit style in songs, I know that …

Gillespie Yeah, tough rock.

Lehmann And I’m far more ABBA or the Beatles. But yeah, at times you see guys arrive in and the x-factor shines as a result of instantly. That was absolutely the circumstance with you.

Gillespie You weren’t poor you mate. You could possibly not have (coughs) a Examination double hundred but 82 generations in initially-course cricket, five in Take a look at cricket. And a Yorkshire legend. In point, I have to check with, that County Championship title in 2001 … what’s the tale about the Sunday League match from Nottinghamshire that you played the future day at Scarborough?

Lehmann (laughs) We’d been up all night celebrating the club’s initially title in 33 a long time and I hadn’t slept at all. I just about forgot my helmet going out to bat. I picked it up and there was still a bit of champagne in it. So I just drank it … I know I received a handful of runs [191 from 103 balls, 20 fours and 11 sixes] but I can’t recall too a great deal, to be honest. Which is in all probability not a wonderful tale for younger cricketers … but yeah, all accurate.

Gillespie Obviously we both adore the club.

Lehmann Yorkshire designed me as a cricketer. I was an overseas pro and there is stress there. But it turned my second residence. I had my brother-in-regulation [Craig White] there, it was just a terrific practical experience. When I to start with begun you had to put on whites for coaching, and there have been no earrings or goatees permitted. I hated wearing whites, I experienced an earring and goatee.

Gillespie Ahhh, the previous clean-shaven rule.

Lehmann (wry smile) Yeah, I employed to get fined about £15 a working day, so in my initial thirty day period the pay back-packet was virtually slice in half. I labored out rapidly what was proper and improper and they peaceful a little bit far too. It was just an amazing cricketing training on and off the discipline. Yorkshire is the proudest club, all people is aware of it. I was nervous setting up there and located myself as 12th male for my very first game.

Jason Gillespie and Darren Lehmann Gillespie and Lehmann through a match between Australia and India in 2004. Photograph: Matthew Lewis/Getty Photos

Gillespie (aghast) As abroad professional?

Lehmann Yeah, David Byas was the captain. We ended up enjoying Lancashire. I observed a gorgeous observe and explained to the skipper I was searching ahead to batting and he just reported (gruff voice): ‘Well you’re not!” Wasim Akram was carrying the drinks for them as well, as we’d the two just arrived a number of times previously. But it was a funny minute and the begin of a extended like affair with the club.

Gillespie How about Australia, what was your highlight wearing the Dishevelled Eco-friendly?

Lehmann Individual things is remarkable but you don’t forget the wins a lot more than anything. Globe Cups, Exam matches, just one-working day internationals … it’s a collective issue. That was normally paramount for me.

Gillespie I keep in mind you currently being tasked with maintaining an eye on how several beverages Shane Warne was obtaining .

Lehmann (rolls eyes) Yeah, what a great responsibility as vice-captain that was …

Gillespie To be good, it had to be carried out. Warnie always had to have drunk the most, stayed up the newest and had the wildest time. And confident more than enough he was all dishevelled, bragging the upcoming working day, until finally you pointed out he’d most likely had just one beer and a glass of red all evening. How about the 2002-03 Ashes against your brother-in-regulation, Chalky White … I try to remember an incident with his shoes.

Lehmann Yeah, my final very good pair of Nike shoes experienced gone missing and then out the bastard will come to bat all through the Exam and he’s carrying them! I was at limited leg and there they were being. He’d been being at mine in advance of the series, which was unusual in itself simply because he bought plucked from club cricket – your club Adelaide in point, Diz – so yeah, a little bit of abuse adopted. I had to ring my wife, his sister, and give her a telling off much too as it turned out she’d given them to him.

Gillespie Just 27 Exams for a bloke who averaged 58 in 1st-course cricket … that was a difficult time to be an Aussie batsman.

Lehmann Yeah. Persons speak about collection and who should really appear in but normally the hardest concern was who are you likely to drop. That era, the Waughs, Border, Jones, Hayden, Langer, as soon as you got in you had to stay there and I had a couple spells when I did. It was a good understanding curve for my coaching, taking care of disappointment and all that. But I have no regrets.

Gillespie Did you always fancy getting a coach?

Lehmann No, I just sort of fell into it. I was in the Indian Premier League with Rajasthan and only performed a little bit at the get started of the very first year when we received it. Adam Gilchrist was at Deccan Chargers, who’d concluded past with the optimum wage invoice – it was not doing the job – and he asked me if I fancied a go at working the team. I explained: “Shit, I dunno but I’ll give it a crack.” I was performing at the brewery right here at Adelaide at the time, much too. We went base of the pile in 2008 to successful it in 2009 and I just fell in appreciate with the position, performing with diverse cultures and having the very best out of gamers. That received the ball rolling, I went to Queensland and experienced some achievement there [a Sheffield Shield, the one-day cup and the Big Bash League with Brisbane Heat, all in the space of two years] and then the simply call came to take more than Australia in 2013.

Gillespie Is it correct that when [the high-performance manager] Pat Howard available it you, you assumed it he was taking the piss?

Lehmann (laughs) Yeah. But out of the blue I realised he was getting major and I imagined: “Shit, now I have acquired some pondering to do.” But it is a substantial honour. You probably just can’t do it for much too very long with the time away but I however appreciate it, every day you get to operate with the very best players in the state and which is a privilege.

Gillespie And your coaching philosophy?

Lehmann We’ve not labored with each other quite a great deal but possibly equivalent to yours, mate. Building an ecosystem which is enjoyable finally. It’s cricket. We’re not hoping to save the environment, it is just a game. I glance to increase life off the industry and get the players all set to perform on it. Indeed, it’s expert now with major money and more pressure but it is about bringing it back to the appreciate of the video game.

Gillespie Location on. We’re all right here due to the fact we appreciate the sport and it is trying to keep that central to almost everything. The finest resource in your coaching package is possessing gamers that know you back again them and consider in them. Do that and you are 3-quarters of the way there. That’s why we’re called support workers, we’re there to support the players. It is not the other way all over. It is like all this speak about curfews suitable now. I have often thought if you address grown-ups like children they are extra probably to act like them.

Lehmann Yeah, the only time I try to remember obtaining just one set in location was in the course of the 1999 Entire world Cup and just after we lost a couple game titles we acquired rid of it. That did not convert out much too bad [and we defeated Pakistan in the Lord’s final].

Gillespie And what is it that is so unique about the Ashes for you?

Lehmann It’s just the custom and rivalry. As a state, you just have to keep the Ashes. You have to. It is starting to be substantially harder to get absent, while. I assume it’s just the simplicity of two teams in excess of five Checks, with cricket performed tough on the area but a few beers shared afterwards. And genuinely, I think these two teams suitable now get on definitely.